FORUM NOTES - MAY 30th 2010
TOPICS :- Role Play - FW? & Slave Wine
Loki
19:03:25 pm CDT
~strides in, finds My spot on the dais, lowering My bulk~
greetings girls....
Loki
19:07:28 pm CDT
Im not sure if we are going to have forum tonight, Ill wait till half past and
see if we have enough people.
Loki
19:08:46 pm CDT
greetings snowrose, can you scribe if we have forum?
greetings natira~chuckles~ staying out of trouble I hope
natira{GS} 19:10:09 pm CDT
greetings snowrose ~smiles~
greetings kadife
~blows candy flavored kisses to each~ she hopes you both are well
natira{GS} 19:16:28 pm CDT
yes Master she will, is it the same as before?
Loki
19:21:42 pm CDT
Tal and greetings Lady Lita~chuckling at her disheavelness~
Your not late, Im contemplating cancelling forum in not enough people show up. I
think people are in r/t due to the holidays.
Lady Lita
19:22:50 pm CDT
Could be, Captain. I hope we don't have to cancel though. I was looking forward
to Forum, as there hasn't been much rp this week while I was around. Maybe I
scare 'em off! *snicker*
Lady Lita 19:23:24 pm CDT
Is there a particular minimum number required for Forum?
Loki
19:24:16 pm CDT
no I doubt that Lady Lita~chuckle~
r/p has been one of the things we've been trying to push around here. Your
efforts are appreciated. R/t tends to get the best of our members here.
Loki
19:25:17 pm CDT
nay no minimum, but it helps to have more than three, and I believe we have
enough to carry on a decent discussion/conversation
Lady Lita 19:25:41 pm CDT
Understood, Captain. Problem is, to have good rp, a number of folks are needed.
The other issue is I'm not sure how it would be taken here for a Free Woman to
start off some rp, even if I had an idea.
Loki
19:27:44 pm CDT
Lady Lita, You may start any r/p. There are no rules. And aye, it does help when
more people are involved, but feel free to monolog as much as You want.
snowrose....you ready? I think we'll start forum......Everyone knows the
rules........
perhaps the first topic is r/p? Any other topics? whisper or just post them,
either way.
Lady Lita 19:27:59 pm CDT
Perhaps that might be a good topic here. Just exactly what is expected and/or
allowed a Free Woman here. I am sure I'd not be permitted to get away with some
of the things Free Women in the books got away with. For example I don't think
You would hold still for Me slapping You and demanding money to take the slaves
and FWs here to a Tavern or lunch! *giggle*
kadife{GS} 19:28:30 pm CDT
this slave would like to ask... is it ok to rp any place on the site?
Loki
19:29:34 pm CDT
~chuckling~
well, as for Myself, Id say nay, You wouldnt get away with that, so fair warning
now
Loki
19:30:40 pm CDT
aye kadife, good question. and the answer is yes, any place is fine to r/p. the
entire site is for r/p. It just depends on what room your in.
make sense?
Lady Lita
19:30:54 pm CDT
*pretty pout beneth the veil.* Awww darn! And here I was looking forward to
something like that! *giggle* Ah well, elizabeth did get away with things no one
else could. *sigh*
Loki
19:31:46 pm CDT
~chuckle~ Like I said Lady Lita, I can only speak for My reaction, no other Free
Males.....You'll just have to see for Yourself
Loki
19:32:55 pm CDT
and feel free to r/p anything, as long as it realistic to the sense of the
books.
Loki
19:34:27 pm CDT
and r/p doesn’t HAVE to be posted on the boards, it can if you wish others to
follow along, and or join in when a opportunity arises
Loki
19:35:42 pm CDT
anything to add natira? kadife? snowrose?~chuckle~
speak up girls
kadife{GS} 19:36:20 pm CDT
can the Master say if he thinks a R/P could ever cross a line... lets say in the
tavern?
Lady Lita 19:36:26 pm CDT
Just that sometimes I like to bring in things that were done in the books, that
would make for good role-play, but that folks seem for one reason or another not
to have tried to do on-line. Like the slave parade for example.
kadife{GS} 19:37:34 pm CDT
or the love wars Mistress
natira{GS} 19:38:11 pm CDT
umm nothing at this time Master ~smiles sweetly batting pale lashes~
Lady Lita 19:38:58 pm CDT
Well lots of places do the Love Wars. And yes, they are exciting. However, Since
we don't seem to have an of the Wagon Peoples in Port Kar, they really would be
out of place, I'd think.
kadife{GS} 19:40:23 pm CDT
well this slave was just giving an example of culture... not really suggesting a
love war
Loki 19:40:31 pm CDT
kadife, can you elaborate on cross the line? as long as its legitimate r/p I
don’t see how it can....
natira{GS} 19:41:34 pm CDT
girl has seen r/p such as auctions and the selling of slaves, as well has having
a giant feast in a dining hall with many Free present and many slaves serving,
dancing and entertaining ~nods~
kadife{GS} 19:41:52 pm CDT
this girl can not Master.
Loki 19:42:19 pm CDT
aye natira, the only limit is a persons imagination
Loki 19:43:25 pm CDT
ah, no problem kadife, Id say as long as its legitmate r/p, there is no line to
cross....
perhaps others have a opinion they would like to share
Lady Lita 19:44:34 pm CDT
understood, kadife. Might be interesting to see something done here with the
Caste of Thieves, but you'd have to find folks willing to try that. *grins*
Loki
19:45:18 pm CDT
snowrose.....I dont think anyone can be forced to participate in r/p if they
dont wish too
Dak
19:45:47 pm CDT
yeah, there is always rti, *smiles*
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
19:46:47 pm CDT
is this not RP every time we log in? *confused*
shadow thinks a chore would be RP as would a serve and if "something was going
on in the room you are in' you are already a part of it just being there?
Lady Lita 19:46:51 pm CDT
I'm not quite sure I follow, snowrose. If you were in, say the Tavern, doing a
chore, could you give Me an example of what type of rp that might occur that you
would not want to be a part of? Maybe I could suggest something that might help
you gracefully bow out.
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 19:47:03 pm CDT
she didn't get drawn in Master, but she thinks roleplay within roleplay belongs
in PK....just her opinion
kadife{GS} 19:47:10 pm CDT
once when this slave did not want to participate in a role play she just crawled
under a table
Loki 19:47:24 pm CDT
snowrose, Im curious, you said real chore, what does that mean exactly?
a chore in here is also a form of r/p
Loki 19:48:08 pm CDT
aye shadow, the entire site, all rooms are r/p, maybe except this one, the forum
room
Lady Lita 19:48:19 pm CDT
yes, kadife, that would work. crawl under a table and sneak out the other end
and crawl off to the kennels or some such.
kadife{GS} 19:48:39 pm CDT
well snow rose is doing a real chore now this slave thinks as she is scribing
Loki 19:49:41 pm CDT
Me sitting in the tavern being served ale is r/p, a girl cleaning cooking
utensils is a r.p too, perhaps there's some confusion here amongst us all?
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure 19:50:08 pm CDT
guess would rather just let it go Mistress...she just finished her chore and
left
Loki
19:50:43 pm CDT
good point kadife, scribe in forum could be considered r/t I suppose
Lady Lita 19:51:51 pm CDT
well that would work too, I suppose. Or if you were scribing something I don't
know why you couldn't say something like, "sits in the corner with her scroll
and writing stick, draws up her feet and scribbles furiously, trying to keep up
with what is going on".
Loki
19:53:04 pm CDT
thats true as well Lady Lita
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
19:54:15 pm CDT
shadow agrees with You Master, think maybe the RP that is going on at Port Kar
is the confusion? as it is slightly different than GS is use to? But when we log
in and step in GS, we are entering RP, shadow believes.. even in the forum, if
her Master chooses to order shadow to do something she sure as hell isn't going
to say "but my Master this is the forum room!" haha
Loki
19:56:55 pm CDT
aye shadow, I believe you are correct, the port kar room is causing some
confusion. The port kar room was made to allow more r/p beyond that of just the
tavern, marketplace, bathouse, training yard extra, it was meant to allow more
thought and imagination. Not to only r/p in port kar.
chuckling, aye, of course you wouldnt, but some people like to use this room as
a chitchat room, which is allowed, but I personally dont agree with
Lady Lita 19:58:58 pm CDT
WEll, I very much enjoyed the role--play that happened in Port Kar with Captain
Xertog and Belsaaurius and the girls that were taken. Made for some excitement.
Loki
20:00:08 pm CDT
Aye Lady Lita, as it should ~nods and grins~
feel free to use the other rooms as well, well except the bathhouse, You go in
as a FW, and maybe not as one when leaving~chuckle~
natira{GS} 20:00:50 pm CDT
~giggles
Loki
20:03:14 pm CDT
is this topic dead now? we all on the same page?
any other topics? whisper them to Me,, or post it, either way...
Lady Lita 20:03:37 pm CDT
I shall have to research the books and see if t hey had special times or days
for Free Women there! After all, I may look like a tarsk under these veils.
(Note I said MAY) But I sure don't want to SMELL like one!
Loki
20:05:34 pm CDT
~chuckling~ I dont think the books will help You concerning a loop hole in the
bathouse rules Lady Lita
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:05:56 pm CDT
~laughing softly at Mistress Lita~
natira{GS} 20:06:21 pm CDT
~snickers and coughs covering her mouth looking around for whoever made the
noise trying to make it look like she didn't know~
Lady Lita 20:07:00 pm CDT
Perhaps not, Captain. However, I find that whenever I do a book search, I always
learn SOMETHING, even if t isn't what I was looking for.
natira{GS} 20:07:04 pm CDT
she believes there was special bath houses for Free Women but she can't remember
Loki
20:07:25 pm CDT
Aye Lady Lita, well said ~firm nod~
Lady Lita 20:08:57 pm CDT
that could be,naatira. I thought there was something for Free Women, but after 5
or 7 years since I last read the books, and at My age, memory doesn't always
serve.
Loki
20:09:03 pm CDT
any other topics?
Loki
20:09:55 pm CDT
Lady Lita, thats what private holdings are for~chuckle~
Lady Lita 20:10:34 pm CDT
True, Captain
Lady Lita 20:11:40 pm CDT
I do have to wonder if Physicians on Gor are as rich, comparatively, as
Physicians on earth! Being as I never heard of medical insurance on Gor.
Dak
20:12:52 pm CDT
I don't remember ever reading of a lady Physician in the books, *smiles*
Lady Lita 20:13:28 pm CDT
And I wasn;t suggesting that as a topic, it jsut occurred to Me to wonder
whether a Physician would have private holdings. I believe Flaminious worked for
the House of Cernus and lived there.
Loki
20:13:33 pm CDT
~chuckling~ that I do not know Lady Lita, I suppose it would fall on the caste
ranking
snowrose{JTr}'s pleasure
20:13:49 pm CDT
Goreans seem to be extraordinarily hale and hearty Mistress...probably just pay
for having their wounds sewn up.
Loki
20:14:35 pm CDT
anything else? topics? concerns? observations?~chuckle~
Dak
20:14:40 pm CDT
that's becuz of the stabilization serum
Lady Lita 20:14:45 pm CDT
Dak, I can give You a number of quotes. In fact, there was a rule that a female
of the Green Caste had to bear two children, and wear bracelets so indicating
*pulling up My sleeve and showing Mine* before She was allowed to practice
fully.
Lady Lita 20:16:24 pm CDT
True, snowrose. But the way the Gorean Men pulled out swords at every
opportunity, and considered every stranger an enemy, I have an idea most
Physicians were kept pretty busy just stitching Them up! *chuckle*
Dak
20:17:00 pm CDT
I would love to see that, I don't remember reading it, and I'm half way the the
books, the second time
Lady Lita
20:18:00 pm CDT
True, snowrose. But the way the Gorean Men pulled out swords at every
opportunity, and considered every stranger an enemy, I have an idea most
Physicians were kept pretty busy just stitching Them up! *chuckle*
Dak
20:18:13 pm CDT
some patched themselves up or had a slave do it
Lady Lita
20:18:33 pm CDT
And there were diseases. Pox and Dar-Kosis for two.
Loki
20:19:19 pm CDT
hmm I wonder if the girls have had their slave wine lately~chuckle~
natira{GS}
20:20:01 pm CDT
~tries to hide the revulsion on her face at the mention of that extremely nasty
brew
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:20:05 pm CDT
indeed they have Master Loki, including aurora ~smiles~ was just a few weeks
back
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:21:16 pm CDT
The woman of the Physicians, at the age of fifteen, in many cities, wears two
bracelets on her left wrist. When she has one child one bracelet is removed;
when she has a second child the second bracelet is removed. She may then, if she
desires, enter into the full practice of her craft.
Fighting Slave
craft meaning physician
natira{GS}
20:21:41 pm CDT
~grins at a thought~
Loki
20:21:47 pm CDT
oh they did shadow? Hmm I must have missed it, was it documented? I just
remember how Deirde did it a long time ago.
Is there any left? fidget isnt gonna like the idea of drinking the stuff lol
Dak
20:22:11 pm CDT
is that in the old books, orthe new ones ?
Lady Lita 20:22:21 pm CDT
I will do a quote search and find those quotes for You, Dak. Alas, between two
years of remodelling my house r/t and numerous computer crashes, I had lost my
books and quote files, both r/t and on my computer. Fortunately, the Book Fairly
has visited me, so I can at least do the research.
natira{GS}
20:23:00 pm CDT
girl feels for fidget ~nods nods nods~
Dak
20:23:31 pm CDT
wasa slave wine given at the slave meetings?
Lady Lita 20:23:49 pm CDT
I could, if You like, even pull all the information I can find on the Green
Caste, and post it on the boards.
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:23:59 pm CDT
was during a slave class Master and more than a few weeks back, a few plus a few
more ~smiles~ Not sure about documentation other than slave notes? Was the Sr
Captain that gave it to the girls because there was no Slave Master at the time.
Think shadow recalls Master Xertog saying something about a large supply.. ?
Lady Lita 20:24:14 pm CDT
Oh that was in the old books, Dak
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:24:18 pm CDT
not sure Master Dak...girl took it from one of the sites she had bookmarked
not sure it matters?
galah{RA}
20:24:28 pm CDT
slave wine use to be given out monthly around here, but in the books, wasn't it
like yearly, or even longer?
Lady Lita 20:25:16 pm CDT
that is correcxt, galah. though I think there was a quote where some Men gave it
on the monthly "anniversay" of taking the girl, as a reminder of her status.
Dak
20:25:27 pm CDT
interesting, I will look for that in thr books I will be reading fighting slave
soon
galah{RA}
20:26:15 pm CDT
well, gal will never forget the time she went to a gor site, not this one, where
a half a dozen slaves was sitting around chatting and drinking slave wine
heheheheheheheheee
Loki 20:26:55 pm CDT
Hmm, I see shadow, the documentation I was referring to was it was put on the
boards, and each girl had to sign out their vile, which had there name, and r/p
taking it. all GS and personally owned girls. Just slave class isnt going to
cover all the girls.
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:27:00 pm CDT
don't ever recall it given out monthly and shadows been here 8 years? Believe
that it was done more as a ceremony or the pleasure of a Master watching girls
swallow? shadow recalls reading that the reality was slave wine lasted
forever...
Lady Lita 20:27:18 pm CDT
*chuckles at galah's remark* Oh Priest Kings!
galah{RA}
20:28:33 pm CDT
gal remembers that also Master Loki, and she also remembers when Mistress Deidre
was giving it out every month too, she would catch each girl as they came in and
make sure they took it
Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg 20:29:36
pm CDT
don't know Master Loki, can recall once long ago it posted a time or two to the
corks but no real consistency.
Jake 20:29:37 pm CDT
I recall it was a yearly event in some cases...
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:29:49 pm CDT
aye...it was done that way
but many times also given out at slave class
Loki
20:30:44 pm CDT
Aye shadow, this was hmmm like 3 years ago~chuckle~
perhaps you might want to see if any girls didnt take there slave wine.
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:30:53 pm CDT
Master Shadowglade believed girls should take it monthly *lol*
Its effect is indefinite, but it is normally renewed annually, primarily for
symbolic purposes. I could not believe how bitter it was. I had learned from
Susan, whom I had once questioned on the matter, the object.
Lady Lita 20:31:13 pm CDT
*Seeing a Free Man She does not know, Lita smiles through Her veils*
galah{RA}
20:31:30 pm CDT
both ways made for some fun RP
Jake
20:31:35 pm CDT
"The two females," I told him, "have recently been free. Accordingly, as soon as
they have been collared, force them to drink slave wine."
"Yes, Captain," grinned Tab.
Slave wine is bitter, intentionally so. Its effect lasts for more than a Gorean
month. I did not wish the females to conceive. A female slave is taken off slave
wine only when it is her master's intention to breed her.
Marauders of Gor Book 9 Page 23
The effect of the slave wine endures several cycles, or moons; it may be
counteracted by another drink, a smooth, sweet beverage, which frees the girl's
body for the act of the male slave, or, in unusual cases, should she be freed,
to the act of the lover; slave girls, incidentally, are almost never freed on
Gor; they are too delicious and desirable to free; only a fool, it is commonly
said, would free one.
Slave Girl of Gor Book 11 Page 70
natira{GS} 20:32:15 pm CDT
has a very hard time not spitting the nasty stuff out, let alone not throw it
up...hehe not sure if she made that class ~laughs~
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:33:00 pm CDT
yes Master Loki, shadow will get a list together..
Lady Lita
20:33:48 pm CDT
Ithink there was also a quote about the Caste of Physicians improving it
sufficiently that it lasted, as was said, a yar or more, or even indefinitely.
Obviously, over the years, improvements wold have been made, One would think.
Physicians bing one of the few Castes allowed to research and to have
technology.
Loki
20:33:50 pm CDT
~grins at shadow~ aye
see there's one right there~points to natira and grins~
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:34:22 pm CDT
Its effect is indefinite, but it is normally renewed annually, primarily for
symbolic purposes. I could not believe how bitter it was. I had learned from
Susan, whom I ad once questioned on the matter, the object.
It is prepared from a derivative of sip root. The formula, too, I had learned,
at the insistence of masters and slavers, had been improved by the caste of
physicians within the last few years. It was now, for most practical purposes,
universally effective. Too, as Drusus Rencius bad mentioned, its effects, at
least for most practical purposes, lasted indefinitely.
---Kajira of Gor, p 130
Though there are also quotes that state Slave Wine being given monthly, 2 times
a year.. so no real consistency
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:35:27 pm CDT
*winks at natira*
shadow put your name on the list first
galah{RA}
20:35:54 pm CDT
ever noticed there is little talk of gor babies in the books?
natira{GS} 20:36:06 pm CDT
awww umm but but mistress ~mumbles to herself about keeping her mouth shut next
time~
Loki
20:36:41 pm CDT
anything else worthy of discussion? If not Ill we'll close this forum.
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:36:48 pm CDT
ut oh...that means natira probably gets a double dose
~hehe~
Jake
20:37:03 pm CDT
lots of talk of bred pleasure slaves or passion slaves..I digress...seems they
liked the acquisitoning of slaves...Men hunting..a novel idea
Lady Lita 20:37:35 pm CDT
yes, I have noticed that, galah. Though there are some mentions of them. Kind of
asides, as it were. Being present at festivals and children running through
crowds and so on. And wasn't Fish just a boy when first introduced in the books?
galah{RA}
20:37:44 pm CDT
might make for something different if some Free Woman came around with her baby,
so us slaves could be in awe of it, and ask such foolish things about where the
baby came from and such hehehehehee
Dak
20:37:57 pm CDT
it would seem babies were prety much kept out of site as were most Free Women
natira{GS} 20:37:58 pm CDT
hushhhh aurora ~makes a face getting pale just thinking about that
Lady Lita
20:38:46 pm CDT
*chokes with laughter beneath Her veils, hoping if that happens She is not
present to have to explain!*
galah{RA}
20:38:46 pm CDT
**hint hint nudge nudge to Mistress Lita** heheheeeee
Jake
20:38:57 pm CDT
steps over to grab the slave in need of her drink...bring it on girls..she is
not going anywhere now as a thick calloused hand reaches and takes hold of her
errant locks
Loki
20:38:58 pm CDT
Im pretty sure r/ping with a child is forbidden here, if I remember Rollo'ss
decree a while back
Jake
20:39:50 pm CDT
yes as the site rules say you must be of age to be here playing a child could
"look" bad
galah{RA}
20:39:59 pm CDT
guess you wouldn't be bringing baby to a tavern, but perhaps the Piazza or Port
Kar room? years and years ago, gal remembers a preggie slave coming in though
heheheheee
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:40:03 pm CDT
..but galah...is that not banned from poolside/GS rules
role play with children?
Lady Lita 20:40:17 pm CDT
You know, Dak, the books keep saying Free Women were pretty much kept out of
sight, but almost every scene in the book portraying a City or town or group of
people, the Free Women were very much a presence, even sometimes an obnoxious
one!
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:40:40 pm CDT
remember silkenpleasure?
Loki
20:40:43 pm CDT
aye Jake, and I think Rollo's ruling on this is in the council ruling notes.
shaina {KR}
20:40:57 pm CDT
it was made a rule a couple of years ago.. it was a topic for Forum maybe once
or twice...
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:41:28 pm CDT
yes is actually in the rules, no children, shadow too lazy to go dig it up tho..
galah{RA}
20:41:30 pm CDT
ooooohh, but gal was only referring to a babe in arms, not a child running amok,
but then gal guesses that they don't stay babies forever hehehehehee
Loki
20:41:33 pm CDT
aye aurora, I remember that girl
galah, no babies in any of the rooms are allowed as far as I know
Lady Lita 20:41:53 pm CDT
Whew! Thank the Priest Kings!
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:42:32 pm CDT
lol...aurora thinks thats all silkenpleasure did was hold a baby and it became a
drama nightmare
shaina {KR}
20:42:32 pm CDT
Gary felt better about there being no role play involving children of any
sort.... just to be on the safe side..
galah{RA}
20:42:41 pm CDT
just a RP baby, not someone coming in and being a child...like an NPC baby
hehehehehe
Loki
20:43:22 pm CDT
I wouldnt do it~firm nod~ or face the consequences
Lady Lita 20:43:54 pm CDT
*mumbles* Busy Physician has enough to do stitching up foolish Men Who can't
stay out of the way of Each Others' swords, without having to deal with colic,
diaper rash, and all that stuff!
galah{RA}
20:44:08 pm CDT
okay, no babies, but it might have been a nice way for a FW and the girls to
interact together **shrugs** gal remembers aurora, that is who it was that had a
baby heheheheeeee and it did cause problems galore
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:45:00 pm CDT
thats what silken did, a rp baby, and a few here went nuts.. drama ..but often
times it is the 'who' and not the actual act that some get bent out of shape
over
aurora{Ulrich}~t
20:45:09 pm CDT
lol Lady Lita
Jake
20:45:15 pm CDT
damn!!! puts away His pacifier...whom-ever nipple this was..thanks
{Ulrich's}shadow GS~fg
20:45:53 pm CDT
*gigling at Master Jake*
Dak
20:46:02 pm CDT
I do believe I remember in Assassins that when a slave had a child it was given
to Free Women to raise as Scormus was
natira{GS}
20:46:52 pm CDT
~coughs and looks wide eyed at Master Jake and laughs~
Lady Lita 20:47:09 pm CDT
*choking with laughter beneath Her veils once more* Jke, You will be th death of
Me! And it would be most unseemly and undignified to have all the message boards
all over Port Kar saying the Lady Physician died of lauging!
Loki
20:47:28 pm CDT
alright, Ill call this forum to a close. Thank you all for coming, and thank you
snowrose for scribing.....
Jake
20:48:42 pm CDT
well then I do have something to strive after as I have no need for the Green of
Gor..they tend to pry and prod and not in ways I seek as fun...then grins...if
wounded..a hot iron works well..no need for a Doctor when I can do it Myself
Lady Lita
20:50:06 pm CDT
Awww, Jake, surely You would not deprive a poor FreeWoman of the pleasure of
scorching Your.....ermm...well.... never mind! *doleful sigh*
Jake
20:53:03 pm CDT
I'd deny a FW many things..first of all being her freedom if she dared try
scorching anything of Mine including black wine
Dak
20:53:46 pm CDT
aye Jake, I think for the most part Goreans pretty much took care of most of
their own problems, Unlike our present day society, or the way it was 60 years
ago even , *shrugs*
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